ליברפול 2019/20 - אלופת אנגליה!

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  1. alexshw Member

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    גם לשואו הייתה תקופה מעולה רק בין אוגוסט לספטמבר 2015.
     
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    זה שלוברן זוכה ללבוש את החולצה של המועדון אפילו לדקה אחת זה פשוט ביזיון.

    אוקס וקייטה זה מקצוע אחר לחלוטין ממה שהנדרסון עושה.


    מאוד שמח בשביל אוקס. אחד האהובים עליי בסגל, מגיע לו.
     
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    מצטרף, אם מישהו מוצא בטוויטר וכו' את הכתבה המלאה שיביא.

    אגב, צריך להחמיא למילנר הגדול, שלא נתן משחק ענק אבל היכולת שלו לתת עבודה בכל עמדה במגרש זה נכס. רוברטסון אמר אחרי המשחק שהוא בסדר, אבל בכל מקרה קלופ צריך לחפש כל דקה אפשרית לתת לו מנוחה (ככה זה כשלא בא מחליף).
     
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    Oxlade-Chamberlain posts a picture of himself in his hospital bed watching the second leg of the semi-final in Rome - Liverpool lose 4-2 but squeak through to the final.

    Against Manchester City in the quarter-final first leg he had done just that, a strike that flew past goalkeeper Ederson and helped establish a lead that would end in victories home and away. This new way of playing was an awakening for him. At Arsenal he had worked with a psychologist to try to throw off the shackles of something he noticed had transferred from his personal life into his professional life. He had always tried hard to please people – friends, family, team-mates – sometimes at the expense of his own wishes. The reluctance to shoot came also from the instinct that he must “always find a better option”. It had become representative of his whole life.

    Another Instagram post shows Oxlade-Chamberlain joking with his brother, Christian, also suffering from injury."When you’re negotiating whose turn it is to crutch over to grab the remote!" he writes.

    “It was a case of - now what? What the hell was the point in this? It was all meant to be so worth it. I have done this injury for the lads in the semis, now I am screwed. Now we have got nothing. I almost didn’t mind missing the World Cup because we were going to win the Champions League. It all just hit me big. Seeing the lads so upset and being so close. We really wanted that.”

    A hobbling Oxlade-Chamberlain is consoled on the pitch by Jordan Henderson after Liverpool are beaten 3-1 by Real Madrid in the Champions League final.

    Now, at the end of 12 months’ rehabilitation he has finally returned, playing his first competitive minutes of the most recent league win over Huddersfield Town, with a rebuilt right knee and a re-strung lateral hamstring in the same leg. At 25, he is still young but the break has given time for reflection. He wants to be honest about how it is to leave one of English football’s powerhouses for another, and cope with change, success and injury.

    A hobbling Oxlade-Chamberlain is consoled on the pitch by Jordan Henderson after Liverpool are beaten 3-1 by Real Madrid in the Champions League final.

    “He said, ‘It’ll change soon, don’t worry about it’. Then he started me the next game, at West Ham. I scored and we won and he said ‘It will be soon, don’t worry’. That was the first time I saw that when things didn’t seem like they were going well at this place, you are still in there. I had been used to it being different. That if you start edging out the way, you stay out the way for a while.”

    “When you make it over the brow of the hill you are flying. I felt I would not be getting injured. I could sprint all day and no hamstrings were going anywhere. Muscularity … I felt as strong as I had ever been, just from playing.”

    And then there was the shooting. “The lessons I learned at Arsenal helped me in so many ways, but it did mean I had to adapt when I left. The emphasis was different there. More about trying to find a better option. That was Arsenal’s way and it had worked for them well. So, when I saw a run and heard a shout my instinct would be to play it. The boss [Klopp] hates that. He would say ‘I don’t watch you shooting all week [in training] to try to be Iniesta and thread a pass’. He would scream at me ‘SHOOOOOT!’ It goes in or it misses but in his head it is, ‘So what? Mo and Sadio are running in’.”

    Long, lonely sessions in the gym at Liverpool's Melwood training base formed the basis of Oxlade-Chamberlain's recovery.

    “I was 24 but I didn’t go from being a kid to becoming a man quick enough. I got chucked into this world of ‘Okay, you’re 18, deal with it’ and I just put on a front. But the basic things in life I never really got a hold of. Little traits off the pitch I was taking into the workplace.

    He had left Arsenal for the benefit of his career and now he felt he was taking the next step. As a young player he had watched Steven Gerrard take responsibility, when others might have hesitated. He noticed how a player’s confidence affected the way people thought about him. “When Stevie used to have a shot, I would think, ‘It makes sense’. Now I was starting to feel that. I was on the way to showing I can be the man to try a few of these things. It feels quite nice. It’s a weird thing. You have been around for seven years at Arsenal and Southampton but you are only starting to find your mojo.”

    What needs to be said first about Oxlade-Chamberlain’s injury is that he does not feel sorry for himself. He is of a naturally sunny disposition and above that he understands that some people live with disability their whole lives. He was on crutches for six weeks. So even the times when he had to sit on the loo with his leg propped up straight, or when he would wake in the middle of the night immobile and bursting for a pee, he kept it in perspective. He had the best possible treatment from one of the world’s leading surgeons. He had the full expertise of Liverpool’s medical department for his rehab. He even had as many disposable bedpans as he wanted. It was just that, being a nice chap, he felt he could not wake his partner Perrie to empty them in the middle of the night.

    It would be days until he discovered all this. At first he tried to play on but the leg buckled every time he put weight on it. At his side was Liverpool’s doctor, Andy Massey. “Not a random doctor. The doctor you speak to every day. He knows your interests, your aspirations and he has to be the one to drop you the news. The line I hate the most is, ‘It’s best we come off’. I’d rather they were like, ‘No, your knee is knackered, you’re off.’ In my head I am thinking rationally. Can I play on? Can I make the final? Can I make the World Cup? Yes or no. I don’t want in-between. I want to know.”

    “Your world stops,” he says, “and everything just continues.” We discuss the relentlessness of football, talking at a time when the death of the Cardiff City striker Emiliano Sala is uppermost in everyone’s minds. “That is the most horrendous thing,” Oxlade-Chamberlain says, “and then all of a sudden we play a game and it’s, ‘Wahey, Salah scored!’ ‘Vardy scored! Hurray!’ It’s hard to comprehend. Some people’s lives are finished right now and we are all just carrying on.”

    In 20 seconds, Oxlade-Chamberlain went from wondering whether he had the chance of making the World Cup finals to asking himself whether he would play the following season. He had a few days to go away and come to terms with it but decisions had to be made quickly. He had never had surgery before in his life. The club sent through his options. It is down to the patient to make the final decision on the man or woman whom he will entrust to save his career.

    He posts his first picture back in full training with the simple message: “Back in the mix.”

    To fix his lateral hamstring, Williams took an 11cm graft from his medial hamstring. When it came to his ACL, Oxlade-Chamberlain went into surgery not knowing wither the rupture would require a full reconstruction. If that was the case then a second donor area, his patella tendon, was to be used to construct a new ligament. The difference was important. Without reconstruction he could be back in four to six months, in time for the start of this season. With reconstruction he was looking at much longer.

    He had been here before, and had a better of idea what it would take to survive mentally as the healing and rehabilitation went on. The club agreed that some of his week’s rehabilitation could be done in London which gave him a long weekend with his partner Perrie, working with a former Arsenal physio whom he trusted. Rehabilitation is structured in blocks of exercises that represent one stage of progress which must be completed before the player can move on to the next. Days of repetition, of tiny steps forward with the prospect of being able to walk out on the grass, or strike a football, still weeks and weeks away.

    “I couldn’t carry things so I used to wear a rucksack everywhere - even in the house. Crutch down to the kitchen, fill the rucksack, crutch back upstairs. It’s like going camping in your own house. I’m sure I could have put my foot down. But if I did so I was risking everything.”

    He found himself looking forward to milestones much simpler than being able to lace up his boots and go outside and volley a football. “It just went to an appreciation of, ‘I can’t wait until I can walk’. Or, ‘I can’t wait until I can sit on the toilet properly’. I wasn’t allowed to bend my leg so I when I was on the toilet I had to have a little footstool to rest my foot on. I had one as a kid to reach the toilet.”

    His injuries explained - Front view of Oxlade-Chamberlain’s right knee

    “I loved every minute of it as a supporter. I felt that buzz that we all do as England fans. Plus of course, the lads, as well as the staff, are my mates. They are people who I’ve grown very close to, and who I want to be successful. As players, we saw a lot in Gareth Southgate when he took over that perhaps took longer for everyone else to get about him. I love that he proved so many people wrong.

    “That is where you have to fight the injury in ways that go beyond just the hard work and the boredom of rehab. You are missing out on great experiences and great moments – and these moments are taking place in front of your eyes. I suppose I did feel an element of grief at what the injury had taken away from me and that was worse at certain periods – especially the World Cup. A month earlier I’d had to watch a Champions League final I would have played some part in and now I am watching England put in their best World Cup since 1990.

    He had Christmas Day at home uninterrupted by training for the first time since he turned professional. The club had given him New Year off, which he spent with Perrie in Dubai. He was back there later that month with the first team and by Feb 12, when the squad went away again to Marbella, he joined in first team training for the first time. A little irritation to his knee meant that he was limited to rondos, the keep-ball exercises. It was supposed to be a private session but someone at the hotel caught the session on their phone and secretly he did not mind. He had looked sharp.

    “I wanted to look better than Naby Keita and Fabinho and [Xherdan] Shaqiri because they hadn’t seen me. In my head I didn’t care I had been out 11 months, there was the pressure of ‘I need to show them’. As soon as I was out on the pitch, when Trent or the full-back would get the ball I was making the runs I was making last year. Suddenly, I was in behind Matip and thinking, ‘I shouldn’t be here’. But I was also thinking, ‘I’ve still got it, boys’.”

    Klopp ruled out the Everton match on Monday 4 March as potentially too dangerous, even at Under-23s level. On the Friday the team were scheduled to play Derby County. The first team, with whom he was training, were building up to the home game against Burnley on the Sunday, and he felt strong on Monday and Tuesday. Wednesday was a day off. Thursday he felt something in his rebuilt lateral hamstring. He was given an ultrasound scan and the verdict was that it was nothing too serious. On reflection he could have played against Everton on the Monday on one leg. Against Derby it turned out that he had to.

    “I couldn’t come off. I had so many things running through my head. ‘You’re being an idiot. You are not a kid anymore. If you feel anything, get yourself off’. But at the same time I was thinking, ‘I don’t want the headline’. The whole Liverpool press pack was there. There were photographers all over the banks. I spoke to Lamps [Frank Lampard], I spoke to Ashley Cole. The whole Derby team had just finished training and were watching.”

    “Even on one leg I found it so easy, fitness-wise. It was so frustrating because I knew what I could and couldn’t do. Those people didn’t know my hamstring had gone. I don’t want to go down and then it’s official, ‘He is injured two minutes in’. That would write me off in everyone’s eyes. ‘He’s done for the season, they’ve pushed him back too quickly’. I was determined: stay on and try to look professional.”

    “In those times I am a bag of rubbish. I don’t have the patience for it now. Once you have been freed you think, ‘I am not going back there’. It’s like leaving jail and having to go back. Stuck with that for nearly three months of boring sessions every day. You feel like you have conquered it.

    “You think, ‘Oh my God, did I used to be at this level?’ The way they are playing, ‘Did I … Was I … in this team with these players?’ It’s bizarre. You find yourself thinking, ‘This lot look good. How am I getting back in?’ For a long time I have only dreamed of being able to do that. And then it’s getting to the point where you think, ‘I don’t think I am ready for this’. It’s been eight months of nothing and then it is, ‘Right, we need you’. You are looking at the boys just got back from Napoli and then off to get three points. I am just sat here chilling. I think, ‘I don’t know how I dealt with that pressure’”.

    “The good thing is there will be a pressure situation to come back into if we keep getting a few results. I love that. If there is a chance I can do something mad and score a goal that helps us, that’s really exciting. There is not that much left of the season. I just want to show a little bit and hopefully make a difference for us to win the league. Something dreams are made of.”

    When he reported for training last Friday, April 26, on the morning of the game against Huddersfield Town, he was unaware that Roberto Firmino had an injury. The first clue was that the Brazilian was not there in the morning’s session. It happened so quickly that there was very little fuss. He had been training with the squad for weeks now and was the natural candidate to take Daniel Sturridge’s place among the substitutes. With Liverpool already one goal up, he came off the bench to warm-up after 15 minutes. Milner and Joe Gomez were with him and Milner gently slowed Gomez down. It meant that Oxlade-Chamberlain ran down the touchline on his own, and the roar from the crowd was huge.
     
    owen11111, oranfu, Scouser Tommy ומשתמש נוסף אוהבים את זה.
  6. Sir Alex Ferguson משתמשים של כבוד היכל התהילה

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    */aaarofl


    https://scontent.ftlv3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/74224165_381501916064684_2360086539196694528_n.Xxx?_nc_cat=111&_nc_oc=AQn5CVB9LVsKumqprKtrQVCkaJA8HI9Yv3KfwTMVDPfNTtCer5SZni5Hkv9V6aEfAHQ&_nc_ht=scontent.ftlv3-1.fna&oh=deb1c61696f5dfd398b1a6610f429306&oe=5E2810F5
     
    קשר שמאלי ו-cheddar אוהבים את זה.
  7. Scouser Tommy משתמשים של כבוד היכל התהילה

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    Jefecito ו-Sturridge אוהבים את זה.
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    בית המשפט הכריע לטובתנו במשפט עם ניו באלאנס.
     
    cheddar אוהב/ת את זה.
  10. אלעד משתמשים של כבוד היכל התהילה

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    owen11111, Scouser Tommy ו-oranfu אוהבים את זה.
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    זו באמת הסיבה שניימאר כל חייו שיחק בקבוצות שלובשות נייק. נראה לכם יתנו לו ללבוש אדידס בריאל מדריד? הוא נולד עם חוזה טאלנט, מה שרב הכדורגלנים צריכים לעבוד קשה כדי להשיג.

    נייק בהחלט יקרבו כוכבים לליברפול.
     
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    זה לא כזה מובהק, אבל אני משוכנע שזה עשוי להוות משקל ביכולת שלנו להחתים טאלנטים של נייק.
     
  13. אלעד משתמשים של כבוד היכל התהילה

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    גם אם אכן יהיה יותר כוח משיכה מבחינת ליברפול להביא "טאלנטים של נייקי", אני בכלל לא בטוח שזה מה שהקבוצה צריכה בשלב בו היא נמצאת. כל השלד המרכזי נמצא בשיא שלו עם עוד הרבה שנים לפניו, בזמן שכבר יש כמה צעירים - מי פחות ומי יותר - שאפשר להעריך שישתלבו בהמשך.

    סביר להניח שלאלנה יעזוב בקיץ, הנדרסון ומילנר ימשיכו לפחות לעוד עונה ויש את אוקס וקייטה שנמצאים בעונת מבחן. כל מה שנשאר זה כנראה שחקן התקפה מצוין נוסף שיכול לשחק בשני הצדדים ויכול לעלות מהספסל שצריך ולא להוריד את הרמה של ההרכב אם סלאח או מאנה מקבלים מנוחה*.

    * - מוקדם מאוד, אך לא בטוח שאליוט לא יכול להיות השחקן הזה כבר בעונה הבאה.
     
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    טלאנטים של נייקי משחקים בקבוצות של אדידס ושל אדידס בנייקי, אין איזה הגבלה שם
     
  15. Scouser Tommy משתמשים של כבוד היכל התהילה

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    לא כזה אוהב את העיצובים של נייק לרוב, גם מרגיש שאנחנו "קבוצה של אדידס", יותר מתחבר לי להיסטוריה של המועדון.

    אבל בסוף זה עניין של כסף ומסחור אז אני בעד. בטוח יחזק את הברנד שלנו, לבריאות.
     
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