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הנושא בפורום 'פורום כדורגל אנגלי' פורסם ע"י Michael Carrick, ‏8/6/05.

  1. THE STRETFORD END Member

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    גם לי לא אבל זה עדיין לא מופיע בשום אתר אנגלי אמין וגם לא באתר של יונייטד בפעם האחרונה שבדקתי.
     
  2. אמיר ע משתמשים של כבוד היכל התהילה

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    אמת ומוזר, אבל כנראה נכון. קלברסון יעבור היום את הבדיקה הרפואית. יכול להיות שהאנגלים ישנים בעמידה בגלל שהיום יום ראשון.
     
  3. THE STRETFORD END Member

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    הלוואי והטורקים לא מבלפים,קלברסון גמר אצלי לא בגלל הכישלון המקצועי אלא בגלל שהמונדיאל חשוב לו יותר מיונייטד.

    ולקראת העונה הקרובה משהו קטן שיזכיר איזה חלוץ יש לנו:

    http://s57.yousendit.com/d.php?id=34B9QF7UMPWKSSNVRC6BHM4G4
     
  4. barakrom Member

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    זוכרים, זוכרים ונהנים...
     
  5. Jose Mourinho Member

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    אני חושב שקלברסון עשה טעות גדולה. הוא היה צריך לעבור לסלטה ויגו שבנתה עליו כציר מרכזי בקישור שלה ולשחק בליגה חזקה כמו הליגה הספרדית, מה גם שברזילאים מצליחים שם יפה מאוד. לעבור לליגה הטורקית זו טעות גדולה מבחינתו, בדיוק אותה טעות שעשה אנלקה.
     
  6. RedWhiteArmy Member

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    הוא לא עבר לסלטה מסיבה אחת הסכום שהם הציעו עליו היה מצחיק 1 מיליון פאונד והינייטד כמובן דחו את זה.
     
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    השיר ההולנדי על רוד מגניב לאלללללללללה. http://www.asoccer.co.il/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.Xxx
     
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    ענק, פשוט ענק
     
  9. סמואל אטו Member

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    אלקס עשה את אותה "טעות" היום הוא המלך של פנרבאחצ'ה.
     
  10. Spanish Weapon Member

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    נכון שהוא עשה טעות עצם זה שהוא ירד ברמה במעבר לטורקיה, אבל עושה רושם שבאשיקטש לוקחת ברצינות את העונה הקרובה בטורקיה, אל תשכח שהיא גם הביאה את אאילטון.
    עושה רושם שבעלי הקבוצות בטורקיה מתחילים לפתוח טיפה יותר את הארנק.

     
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    טוב סוף סוף יש קולות באנגליה לגבי המעבר הקרוב של קלברסון,
    הסכום שמדובר הוא בדיחה ממש אבל המניות של קלברסון ירדו ובגדול,משחקן הרכב באלופת העולם לליגה של פיני בלילי,יותר נמוך מזה היה רק מעבר שלו לשיטי.
    אשתו הסכימה למעבר ותודתי נתונה לה על כך(אותה אשה שגרמה לו לחשוב על הרבה דברים במיוחד בתחילת הדרך ביונייטד רק לא על כדורגל).
     
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    סמואל אטו, אלקס בקלות היה יכול להשתלב בקבוצה גדולה באירופה, יש לו את היכולות לכך, הוא שחקן מצויין, זה שהוא המלך של פנרבחצ'ה זה לא רע, אבל שחקן עם יכולות כאלה צריך ויכול יותר מזה, בגלל זה אמרתי שעדיף לקלברסון ללכת לסלטה, אבל אם הם הציעו סכום כזה והתקמצנו על עוד מיליון וחצי שבוודאי יונייטד לא הייתה דוחה, אז הם הפסידו אותו.
     
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    בינתיים קלברסון הוא בסך הכל הימור בהחלט מסוכן, לא שיחק כדורגל מעל שנתיים וזה המון
     
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    ראיון אם הקשר השמאלי הגדול בכל הזמנים

    He has eight Premiership titles to his name, but that doesn’t mean Ryan Giggs is any less hungry for success
    As Rio Ferdinand becomes accustomed to being barracked by Manchester United fans over his unsigned contract, he might reflect that two years ago another player was having his commitment to the club similarly questioned.

    With several of Italy’s leading clubs said to be suitors, a small section of fans at Old Trafford, apparently suffering from a collective bout of amnesia queried Ryan Giggs’s dedication to the cause. Maybe they were right; almost certainly they were wrong.

    Watch Giggs in any game and you might indeed question his commitment. He is not a player who shifts hods. He is, as Sir Alex Ferguson recalls from his first sighting of the Swinton schoolboy, “as natural and relaxed as a dog chasing a piece of silver paper in the wind”.

    Ferguson must have been reading his Wordsworth that day, but the analogy has never been surpassed, and thankfully for those neutrals who can accept his exasperating inconsistencies more readily, Giggs’s God-given balance and athleticism are as hypnotic now as they were at the dawn of the Premiership 13 years ago.

    It is hard to imagine the Dorian Gray of the wing, the boy who one year received 6,000 Valentine cards, turning 32 in November. He laughs at the prospect himself and then massages the statistics a little to defy the advancing years. “They used to say players reached their peak between 27 and 30, didn’t they?” he says. “It’s definitely older now, more 28 to 32 or 33.

    “It depends on how you play. Teddy Sheringham, Dennis Bergkamp and (Gianfranco) Zola, they were still going into their mid-30s.” And all of them played the sort of No 10 role that one suspects Giggs would like to call his own at United, given that he numbers John Barnes, the flying winger turned creative midfielder, among his early heroes. “I thought he was a great individual player,” says Giggs. “

    Then gradually he moved into the centre of midfield and improved his passing and reading of the game. You have to adapt as you get older.”

    Although Giggs’s waif-like physique, unlike Barnes’s, shows no sign of expanding with the years, there is another parallel between the two: both are framed in sepia for one goal: Barnes at the Maracana against Brazil; Giggs against Arsenal in an FA Cup semi- final at Villa Park in the Treble-winning year.

    The difference is that Giggs’s goal was a brilliant embellishment on a body of work that now numbers eight League titles — matched only by Phil Neal, Alan Hansen and Kenny Dalglish — four FA Cups, a League Cup and a European Cup, while Barnes’s slalom through the Brazil defence froze a career. Only four times has Giggs ended a season without a winners’ medal, so it is no wonder that his quiet moments by the pool on holiday in Portugal this summer were consumed by analysis of the impoverished year United had just experienced.

    “We dropped 14 points against the bottom six teams,” he says. “Take the Crystal Palace game. We drew 0-0 and they were down to 10 men. We used to say, ‘We’re going to score, don’t worry, we’re going to score’, and we would score. It’s self-belief. Don’t panic, keep playing your football. And it’s the mind-set, producing week in, week out. It’s what Chelsea did last year and Arsenal did the year before, and we used to do before that.

    “Concentration, especially in and around goal, not making the right choices, not putting chances away — those were the sort of little things that let us down because defensively we were good. We missed Ruud (van Nistelrooy), no doubt about that. But over the past 10, 12 seasons we’ve always prided ourselves on sharing the load. Paul Scholes, Roy Keane, David Beckham, myself, we’ve all produced double figures. Last year, me, (Cristiano) Ronaldo, Scholesy all should have been scoring more goals and creating more chances.

    “But that’s what inspires me, a season when we’ve not won something. That feeling of disappointment when you’re used to winning things, that strange feeling of fighting for second in the last seven or eight games. It was hard to get motivated for that, but it’s what makes you want to be better. The players will be hurting. They’ll want to get the Premiership title back.”

    The last game of the season typified the faults. United had all the play, Arsenal took home the cup. “It was weird,” Giggs reflects. “I felt it was almost the start of next season. The way we played, we had to take heart from that.”

    How would he assess his own form through last season? “A bit stop-and-start,” he replies. “I started off quite well, went through a patch when I wasn’t playing so well, and then around Christmas I was playing the best football I’ve ever played. There were 10, 12 games when I felt I was getting better each game. It was the best phase I’ve gone through. In the past I’d play two or three good games, then one disappointing game. This was consistent. Then against Tottenham at home I had trouble with my hamstring and was out for two or three weeks.”

    The hamstring is the sprinter’s curse, not just an injury, a torture, the piano player’s fractured finger. A hamstring injury can last a week or a month physically, but it’s the mind that needs more healing. Since starting yoga three years ago, Giggs has begun to exert some control over an injury that at one time threatened to stall his United career. The heaviness of the Old Trafford pitch at times through the past decade has not helped; larger squads have, however much Giggs hates not to play.

    The arrival of Ronaldo multiplied Ferguson’s options and forced Giggs to peer more closely at the team sheet every week. The key to unleashing his talents, as Ferguson knows well enough after all these years, is timing. Wind him up, get him a little mad, if necessary, and let him go. Giggs knows the game.

    “It’s always been the same with me,” he says. “If the manager isn’t playing me, I’ll come back stronger and prove him wrong. Anyone who’s got any sort of character, who wants to succeed, has to have that attitude. I’ve always had that.”

    The more significant question for the coming season is whether United collectively will display that attitude. When Giggs looked around the dressing room 10 years ago, he saw Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister, Eric Cantona and Keane, a life force to motivate a hundred teams. Now Keane’s influence is waning, the others are long gone and a natural leader has yet to emerge from the new signings or old lags.

    Neither Scholes nor Giggs fits the role comfortably. When not indulging his favourite pastime of winding up Gary Neville, Giggs is more observer than sergeant-major. Like Bobby Charlton and George Best before him, he is a link with an illustrious past, the first teenage wonder of the Premiership drawing strength from the vigour of Wayne Rooney and Ronaldo, returning it in the precious currency of pride. No matter how many more miles he has left on the clock, you sense his desperation to bequeath to the new generation the unyielding principles of success handed down by his elders. “I see the younger players, Ronaldo and Rooney, and I think, ‘I used to be like that’. But it works the other way too. They can inspire you, they’re free, they don’t care about losing the ball.

    “I look at games 10 years ago and I’m flying up and down the wing. I simply can’t do that any more, but I would hope I’m a better player now. I used to knock the ball past defenders and run round them. I had no fear. You try to keep that, but also try not to lose the ball, learn when to pass, when to shoot or lay it off.” It sounds dreadfully like experience.

    “I used to set targets. ‘I want to do this, that’. It’s dangerous. What if you get injured? What happens to your targets then? So I don’t do that any more. That’s experience too.”

    The difficulty for Giggs and United is adapting to a shifting landscape. United’s psychological domination has been broken and Chelsea’s wealth complicated the reconstruction. Defeat by Jose Mourinho’s brash young team in the first game of last season proved to be a heavier blow to morale than Ferguson had expected. Now, says Giggs, comes the real test, defending the title. “Chelsea have stepped it up. They’ve money to throw away, it seems. But teams will not be playing Chelsea any more, they’ll be playing the champions and it will be harder for them. Arsenal never managed to defend the championship. Everyone wants to beat the champions. But you have to hold your hand up. Chelsea didn’t necessarily play better football than us last season, they played more effective football. We were playing catch-up all the time. ”

    Defenders have experienced the same feeling with Giggs down the years. But time is no longer on his side. His autobiography will be published next week, always the sign of increasing reflection. Put to him that a spell on the wing for, say, Leicester City might be a decent way of winding down once his contract at United expires, and he laughs. He has passed his B coaching licence and although Ferguson would raise an eyebrow, might fancy managing. “I honestly haven’t thought much about it,” he says.

    Getting United back to the summit is the more pressing concern.
     
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    העונה יבלה הפלא האנושי הזה המון על הספסל, הוא הוציא מעצמו בקושי 50 אחוזי פוטנציאל-העונה הוא צפוי עוד להוציא מעצמו פחות